R, Groves - tenon saw makers of note

I have many different tenon saw types made by makers from the USA and England. I have used some from other European countries, but have not found the quality or a history for making fine tenon saws. Whereas Henry Disston (nothing to do with modern-day Canadian Disstons, which have made extremely low grade handsaws since the 60s) made the finest tenon and handsaws, one of the best makers I have enjoyed the work of is Robert Groves who started making saws in 1770. I have owned one 14” tenon saw for over 30 years and have accumulated the three more you see here to complete my collection. Now I don’t want to cause conflict, but when I say collection I am talking about user tools not shelf sitters and backdrop images to conjure up impressions of being a woodworker.

The bottom saw I bought via Ebay for £19 including shipping. They will sell for more from now on, but if they sell for under £100 they are still better value than any UK maker in the last 75 years. They are still better value than any modern maker anywhere too for that matter. Look out for a good R Groves saw. They are wonderfully made.

Oh, need to correct my last paragraph. Bob Wenzloff is a best for me and of course Tom Nielsen's dovetail saws are are very nicely quality saws too. Cost is of course a factor but you would be hard pressed to find better and that's good to know that standards are improving after the poor grades that came to pass in the 60s through 80s and 90s.Their saws are lifetime saws and so that's good economics for me.